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www.tothesource.org 6yrs of free weekly emails. tothesource has broadcasted over 300 weekly emails featuring informed opinion on current cultural issues. The articles address a variety of topics and the related moral and ethical issues they raise. Past tothesource articles are found on our archives page at http Subscribe to tothesource free weekly emails at www.tothesource.org The Christian God, The Jewish God, or No God. A Meaningful Dialogue with Dinesh D’Souza, Christopher Hitchens, and Dennis Prager.
I can solve this for you mate, Adam and Eve never existed, so there was no garden and no sin. All that is mythology, it never really happened.
The real Adam’s and Eve’s were the Cro Magnons and the Australopithecines etc.
Stop wasting your time debating theology, its a pointless excersise, like trying to figure out how many angels could dance on the head of a pin.
Let’s see if that makes sense. God showed them the garden, told them they could eat of all the trees EXCEPT one and that if they did that the consequence would be death. They were not killed for their disobedience, but they were made to leave the garden, where the Tree of Life also stood. This was the consquence
of their choice to disobey. Kindy point out the fallacy, I’m not seeing one.
Hmm, maybe since day one?
You’re pretending like God didn’t give them the right to make a decision and then punish them for exorcising the God-given right. You don’t see the fallacy in that logic?
What amount of time would be acceptable to you? How much suffering would it be okay for mankind to endure?
Further, your statement about Adam and Eve is nonsense. Are you suggesting God tricked them, or that they did not understand the consequences of the choice they made? God gave them ONE rule to follow and you call that servitude?
Seems a small price to pay to get to meet with God every day.
Failure to follow that one rule brought suffering, sorrow, disease and death.
Fortunately mankind was not left to suffer forever, because God provided a way back through Christ.
So this somehow absolves God from being culpable for letting humanity suffer for a good 80,000 years?
Have you considered that perhaps, just perhaps a being capable of creating the universe and mankind cannot be judged fairly by our limited understanding?
If you are a darwinist, then you cannot argue as if moral absolutes exist and then apply them to a god you don’t believe in. If we acknowledge that moral absolutes exist, we see them as a product of the divine mind that created them. A lack of evidence for something is not summary proof it does not exist
Why is the length of time an issue?
It’s not relative to question the motives of God for waiting around for so long, having Adam and Eve cast out for having a choice that they weren’t supposed to have at the time? Hmm, seems like God wants everlasting servitude, not free choice.
Not relevant. This is a dead end argument which ignores the bigger question. It is a perfect example of the
distract and discredit strategy being attempted. If Adam brought mankind to sin, then then only what happened after THAT event is relevant.
Just circumstantial evidence that some of Zoroaster’s teachings plagiarize preexisting religions and a general lack of evidence for Zoroaster’s religion otherwise. Very few texts remain from before Zoroaster though, so it’s hard to tell what was stolen and what invented.
Zoroaster incorporated the old, evil gods into his religion as evil spirits, or Devas, servants to the evil god Angra Mainyu who opposed the good Ahura Mazda. Ahura is similar to the Vedic word for demon, Asura.
@darkmiles22 Interesting. What evidence is there agaisnt Zoroastrianism?
There’s the same evidence against Zoroastrianism that there is against sphinxes and unicorns. Namely historical precedents that the ideas plagiarize from indicating the extreme unlikelyhood, but impossible to disprove the unfalsifiable.
Modern Christianity however makes claims that are falsifiable: a god of infinite power and love. Those attributes would logically lead to an absence of evil, but the fact of evil disproves at least one of the premises. Christianity is false, no escaping it.
So, asking why your God would stand around for 80,000 years whilst humanity suffers and then finally swoops in with Jesus, meek and mild and saves everyone? Why does God wait around that long?
That’s not a crazy assertion that maybe God isn’t what God makes itself out to be?
lol christopher is so strange
Christopher: “Shall I Be Erect” lol
Normal Person: “Should I Stand Up”
Christopher: “Am I Audible To all”
Normal Person: “Can u all hear me”
Hmm. No actually I wouldn’t say that Hitchens was accurate. His contention is irrelevant in a discussion about the existance of God. It is one more example of hyperbole preetending to be reason.
I’m glad you can agree that that argument is actually pretty accurate.
Oh, I see. Thanks.
That was one of the weak points in his argument.
So how does this relate to my comment?
What you mean that God sat around for 80,000 years and did nothing? That doesn’t sound wrong at all.
Hitchens has a remarkable command of rhetoric. This masks the weak points in his arguments. His trick is to delight the audience with a witty turn of phrase while simultaneously saying the most outrageously insulting things possible about those he disagrees with.
@mcgra8bc don’t we all?
@HHthinktank Not really. Zoroastrianism says that God is not all-powerful. He is more powerful than the devil, but not all-powerful. Thus, this allows the devil to attack the world which is the battlefield between good and evil. That is why there is evil in the world. Humans have the free will and choice to choose either side, but if one chooses to support evil, hell it is and vice versa. What evidence points away from this?
I have a man crush on Hitchens
How very big chairs…!